June 17, 2026

Beyond the Breakaway: How Tow Tether Is Closing the Gap in RV Towing Safety

Send us Fan Mail Beyond the Brand Is Sponsored by Tow Tether If your trailer broke away at highway speed, you’d trust your breakaway cable to do its job. But where did you hook it up? Jennifer sits down with Andy Garcia, co-founder of Tow Tether, to unpack a towing safety gap most RVers don’t realize exists. What began as a fleet compliance fix for a concrete company grew into a simple, made-in-America device that could change the way you hook up your rig. Learn How: • &nb...

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Beyond the Brand Is Sponsored by Tow Tether

If your trailer broke away at highway speed, you’d trust your breakaway cable to do its job. But where did you hook it up? Jennifer sits down with Andy Garcia, co-founder of Tow Tether, to unpack a towing safety gap most RVers don’t realize exists. What began as a fleet compliance fix for a concrete company grew into a simple, made-in-America device that could change the way you hook up your rig.

Learn How:

• A breakaway cable attached to the wrong point can fail when you need it most

• Tow Tether gives your breakaway system a dedicated, independent anchor point

• Tow Tether installs in under a minute, includes its own tool, & only goes on one way

• An overlooked DOT regulation costs some haulers hundreds of dollars per stop

• A year of real fleet testing shaped a stainless-steel design built far beyond the standard

• Tow Tether fits travel trailers, fifth wheels, boats, & utility trailers alike

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SPEAKER_00

I want to ask you something before we even get started today. If your trailer broke away from your RV while you were driving down the highway, completely separated, going 55 miles an hour or more, what would you do? Most of us would say, we've got it. We've got a breakaway cable. Something is okay. We know it's there. But here's the question that nobody's out there asking. Where did you hook it up? Because if you hooked it up to your safety chain and that's what failed, chances are you're still not okay. Your cable went with it. If you looped it around your hitch and your hitch is what came loose, guess what? Same problem, different spot. It's not a scare tactic today. We actually have somebody that we want to present to you today that actually has a real solution for this problem in the RV space. My guest figured this out the hard way, not because of an accident, but because he runs a fleet of trucks and he started doing the math and they had to fix a problem. So welcome Andy Garcia, co-founder of Toe Tether, to learn to RV the podcast today. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01

Hi Jennifer, how are you?

SPEAKER_00

Good. So I mean, I love the behind-the-scenes story of all the brands, is kind of the heart of what I'm doing. And it's the audio gremlins got us the first time we recorded. So, you know, just for those of you out there listening, you know, you're gonna see some b-roll in this episode that maybe we don't normally do. We're very fortunate for that. But I'm glad because this conversation is so good and it was too good to lose. We're gonna get it right this time. No static, no interference, just the story. So let's drop back to the very beginning of Toe Tether. You basically created something that solved a problem in the space. Let's talk about that moment where you got into Toe Tether.

SPEAKER_01

So it's interesting. Uh, I love the way you pose the question at the opening. We sometimes we take simple things for granted and we don't understand the impact that it could have in the long run. We have a large concrete company and we run a fleet of trucks and trailers, and usually the commercial guys, the licensed guys, general contractors, et cetera, are usually the targets when it comes to DOT inspections. One of our guys was going through an inspection, and thank God everything was hooked up properly. And he just started this conversation with the DOT guys, and he says, you know, nine times out of ten, when I pull somebody over, they've got this breakaway cable hooked up in the wrong place. And at first you think about, well, it's a safety item. It's it's you know, we got all these other things on the trailer that are supposed to keep us safe. But when those things fail, and just like you you did a wonderful example, a lot of folks will take that breakaway cable and hook it up to a chain or wrap it around the ball, or in worst case, not use it at all. Because, you know, you look at it, uh, you think the chains will hold it, the ball's not gonna fall off. But when it does, you have a major problem. We didn't understand the significance of that problem until we started digging into it. There are attorneys that specialize specifically around these cases. And I thought at first when I was approached with the idea with our co-founder, I was like, okay, it just kind of like it's a small item, it's inexpensive, it's all right. And then I started digging into it. I had no idea the magnitude of accidents that are out there. You know, losing an asset like your trailer or the stuff on your trailer is one thing. But when you start taking people's lives for stuff like this, it kind of hits you in a different way. We started looking into the regulation to be compliant from a corporate perspective, but then we started looking at the regulation from a practical standpoint. And is there something in the market that's enabling RVers, anybody that tows a trailer, a simple, easy way? And I'm a visual guy. Is there something that's telling me, hey, you didn't put this on here, you didn't connect it correctly? Our founder thought about that, and he came up with what we call top. It's secure.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and I love I was gonna say, I love that you're actually you're not just a guy that invented something. You know, you you and Neil did so much more than that. You're a guy that's got skin in the game because you've got an RV yourself. So it's not like you're just I think that that's so much of this industry is people that mean well, they design stuff for the RV industry, but they're not RVers themselves. And Andy, you're not one of those. You know, you guys have an RV and you travel. So this is personal for you too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. And and Neil as well. Neil, I I gotta give Neil all the credit. He he's the one that put his brain behind this and thought about okay, if it's supposed to be hooked up to a piece of structure on the prime move or on the tow vehicle, where would I hook it up? You know, the last thing you want as an RV or especially, when you're packing up the clothes and and the dog and the equipment, did you get the chairs? And you know, we kind of go through, I'm I'm weird when it comes to stuff like that. I do everything on checklists. I go through that methodically and make sure that everything's right. But sometimes, you know, there's the distractions of life and you forget to do one thing. And if you don't have, if I don't have a visual reminder, guess what? It's not gonna get done, which is why I use checklists. Neil came up with this concept and he was able to do it in such a way that I mean, in less than a minute, you could put this on. You don't need sophisticated tools. There's only one way to put it on, so you can't hook it up incorrectly. So all the things that that would usually be a burden, he's put a lot of thought behind, and we came up with ToeTet. It secures to the structure of your vehicle, it hangs down underneath your bumper, so it says, Hey, remember me? Don't forget to plug me in and hook me up. It it has all those things that we feel uh set you up for success. Again, it's not it, we look at it as when used properly, and the day that comes where it has to do its job, we pray that it starts saving lives in that matter. At the very least, it's not gonna take you another half hour to get that barbecue into the storage bin. It's not gonna, you know, we forgot this, I got to turn around and purchase something. And it's something that is simple, it stays on your vehicle and it's there when you want it. And it's not only for your RV, but if you're hauling equipment. Any kind of time you're hooking up to a tractor or trailer that has that breakaway system on it, you hook it right up to that. We're pretty happy with the result. I'm on learn to RV, which is the perfect place for this. It wasn't too long ago, four or five years ago, when we bought our first RV, and we were combing the internet to learn as much as we can on every aspect that you can. So I love the fact that we have this opportunity to share it with people, you know, first-time RVers and you know, legacy artists that that understand, yep, this is important. Yep, I am a visual person. I need to have this reminded. We're glad to be part of the team.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and so when we met, you know, we met at a content creators event. You and I kind of exchanged information and I think we both kind of like got busy and life happens. I think that that's true for RVers. You know, they're gonna care about this product and they're gonna be like six months down the road, they're gonna look at it and go doing that. So we're gonna make it easy this year, and you're a big part of helping that. So we have the Learn to RV scavenger hunt coming up really soon. Registration opens on the 15th of June. The event runs all summer long, and Toe Tether is one of the sponsors. And what was great about the sponsorships for this year is we're not asking for money out of the door, we're just asking for prizes. So we're gonna have a bunch of toe tethers that are gonna be gifts this year for those winners as they go through it. But you're gonna learn so much more about Toe Tether throughout the summer. It's not just a one-off, and we're just so thankful for that. So thanks, Andy, for being part of that. Let's jump into the first version of this story. It's not just about safety, it's about money, right? You weren't just sitting around thinking about saving lives originally, you were thinking about stopping tickets. I think that that needs to be talked about. I know our viewers don't have the same commercial laws, but they do have the same concerns. I think that that is a viable answer here.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, compliance is compliance. There's, I'm gonna get geeky on you, but the DOT regulation is 393.43. And that's with anything that you tow. This doesn't mean if you're a commercial tour, if you're a contractor, or anything. Anytime you hook up a hitch to your truck and you're gonna haul something, you have to have safety compliance that you have to be in line with. For us, it was a nice five to eight hundred dollars, depending on what state you're in. Little souvenir that we had to donate every time we got caught without that being hooked up proper. We looked at it from that perspective. And then as we started digging into it, of course, we outfitted our fleet, and then Neil came back and said, Hey, you know what? This Neil is a big RVer as well. He goes, I'm using it for everything I tow. Should we be looking into this and and maybe developing it and rolling this into the public market? That's when I got involved, and I'm kind of scratching my head, going, okay, we'll give it a try. And then I figured out.

SPEAKER_00

See, I love I love that you say that because one of my questions for you is like, what was your original reaction to it? Like when Neil came to you with this, and this is great, or were you more like, yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01

I I have to, I always have to bring myself in check and make sure that I'm not being arrogant or foolish, right? And that I'm listening to people. And that's what I kind of did. I'm looking at it and I'm listening to it, and I'm like, okay, let me do some digging, Neil. And I get, Andy, this is a great idea. And I'm like, okay, great. Let me let me dig into it. And at first I was a bit skeptical, I'll be honest with you. And then I started looking into it and I'm like, wow, you know what? And the way he put it together, I was like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just follow it the way he says it. And I went to the back, and I've got a big GMC 3500 that I bought for my RB. And I went back there and I go, yeah, you know what? He's right. There isn't a single place of failure that I could hook this up to. Okay, all right, check that box. And then I thought, where do I hook up that breakaway cable? And so I kind of brought myself into check. And I'm like, well, I'm one of those guys that always hooks it up to the chain. And then, and then as you stated in your intros, like, if that chain fails, and so I and I'm an engineer, so I started looking at where you hook up your chains, and that rocks back and forth and swivels back and forth your hooks on those eyelets, which removes the coating on your toe bar, eventually starts rusting, and eventually becomes a weak point. So now I'm thinking, well, if the chain, and I know I'm gonna get geeky on you, but you start looking at the way people hook up the chains, half the time they're dragging on the floor. And I'm thinking, well, there goes the weakest link. That chain's not gonna last. So you start looking at that, you start looking at the way people hook up the chains. They're not crossing it over to create a basket underneath your hitch. If your hitch comes off, you're supposed to cross the chain so the hitch has something to land on it and it doesn't go straight to the ground. And I wasn't doing that. And so I got schooled a little bit on my own, just going and saying, hey, am I compliant? Am I doing this right? And and I haul a fifth wheel a lot too. So I had to make sure that I'm doing things right there. I know a lot of this will sound remedial to a lot of people, but you know, a lot of this was first time for me when I started deeply considering and taking for granted the design of the trailer or the design of the RV, the design of the hitches. They're designed for a purpose, and then you start calling yourself in a check. Am I properly using this stuff or am I just taking it for granted that this is gonna hook up? And then I started getting on the net and seeing how big of a problem this was. And the first thing that popped up were the one that came up was an agency in New Jersey that their whole law firm is built on escape trailers. And I thought, well, that's odd. So I I actually called them and I started doing some research, and it is a big, big problem. So that's when I kind of changed and I said, Okay, Neil, you've really solved the problem here that I really didn't realize was such a big issue. And we've actually challenged a couple people and said, Hey, go out and do this research. Tell me what you think. And they came back with the same results we did. And that's when we said, hey, uh, I think we got it. One, we're solving a problem that people may or may not even know exists. But two, we're solving it from a financial aspect, and the added benefit really is that there's uh there's a human life attached to this thing. And there's there's a huge impact. When you start getting on YouTube and type in escape trailers, some of them are very funny, and some of them are like, oh my gosh, a car just hit that trailer, or that trailer just went across the medium and went against traffic and just smashed into another car. That's when it took a whole different level of attention. We launched it in August and it's been very well received. We just got we just got uh another large big box company to start carrying it. So we're not only on Amazon and you know the normal places, but now we've got eTrailer and and tractor supply. We're in the middle of working with a couple other big boxes, and they came back to us and said, Hey, you've solved the major safety issue that we really weren't even aware existed until we started seeing the product. I say this time cheek, you're we're starting to get influencers around it, and that's a big deal for us because people are starting to realize that the from the safety aspect of this, it's a big deal. That's why when you said, Andy, can we put it on learn to RV? Heck yeah, this is perfect for that. Because as a new RV, or not a new RV, or you know, five or six years now, I was diving into stuff to just learn how, you know, how do I pack my trailer? How do I store stuff? How do I hook things up and things like that? There was nothing out there that just focused specifically on safety.

SPEAKER_00

So we're absolutely yeah. So I mean, you've got the product, you've got the compliance fix for commercial vehicles, you understand the actual safety of your product. What happens next? Because I know that you didn't just go list it on Amazon and call it done. You guys put a lot of thought behind it. And so I think that that's important to say. You put it on your trucks first, correct?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we did. For about a year and a half, we ran them on our fleet and we got a lot of feedback. We did a lot of testing with it. And so the design evolved over about a year, year and a half. We had a good 30, 40 people testing it, giving us feedback. Hey, tweak this, make it this much longer. If you had this kind of fastener, if you did this. So we got it to where it's all stainless steel. We got it tested, every one of them gets tested to way over the minimum. It was 150 to 200 pound test line that we put on it. And we make it all in the United States so that we've got our own quality inspections on it. We look at every single one that gets put together. We really take a lot of time and effort. There's another little secret here that I haven't told you. We're actually a trailer manufacturer. We build a line of trailers called the Advanced Nibble Trailer System or Ants Trailers. And the reason we started building those trailers was for our concrete business because the trailers that were out there weren't really fitting our need and weren't lasting as long as we needed to. We're up in the in the northeast area. The roads here get covered with salt and de-icing formulas and stuff like that that just destroy metals. So we're like, okay, hold on a second. When we built our trailers, we built them for that environment. And so we became a trailer manufacturer. Ten years ago, we started producing them in production, and now we are, you know, we're selling them nationwide. Absolutely. We've got them in Alaska and Hawaii, soon possibly in some other non-U.S. countries. It was that bit of the fact that we're a trailer OEM gave us another level of responsibility. Not only did we have a responsibility to work for our guys that are driving our own fleet around, but also we're a trailer manufacturer. We're supposed to be focused on safety. NATM, last year when we introduced the product, they classified it as one of their top safety items for the year. We launched it at the NATDA show in Nashville, North American Trailer Dealers Association. They loved it. They put it in one of their highlighted products and said, you know, there's not enough people out there focusing on the safety aspects of trailer. And it was kind of like, ouch, you know, I took that as a blow as a trailer manufacturer, but at the same time, it was kind of like, yay, we've got something that we're focused on, you know, safety. Yeah. So not only from a consumer standpoint, we use it on our fleet, but also as a manufacturer, all of our trailer dealers now carry toe tether and they've implemented it on their sales process. It's $24.95. It's not even a blip on the screen when it comes to expensive. Some of our trailer dealers are also equipment rental yards. And we've got one guy in Texas that says, you know, you're not going to take my trailer if this isn't on your vehicles. They've added it as a line item on every rental that goes out, and they leave it with the, they leave it with their customer. And the feedback that we've gotten is the customer feels like, hey, they not only sold me a $25 item, but they really care about whatever I tow and the safety aspect of. You're conveying to your customer that we care about what you're doing, not only our equipment, that this stays on your vehicle. So next time you tow, make sure you use it. So it's really taken a pretty neat turn. We're real happy with the way it got introduced to the market. The feedback that we've gotten, especially from folks like yourselves, has been very positive and it's been pretty well received.

SPEAKER_00

Well, you know, that's just it. We don't know what we don't know. I've been doing this for 13 years. And when I met you, that was the first time I'd seen anything like it. But I know there's somebody out there listening to this podcast and going, it's a cable with a loop. What took so long? That mindset is actually the problem that we're trying to solve. But, you know, that led to, you know, a breakaway cable that is tied to cotter pins and safety chains, and it's just a little cable. You refuse to do just good enough. Let's talk about the length because that is kind of what took you the longest to develop, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so we wanted to make it long enough that would go around the structure of the vehicle, the tow vehicle, or the structure around your hitch. We looked at a lot of aftermarket hitches, made sure that we could tie it to that structure. We didn't want to make it so long that would drag on the floor because that would just wear it out. And again, it's like the chains that are too long and they're dragging on the ground. Did we make it long enough so that you could reach it? But it also has to, yeah, you got to be just able to reach underneath the bumper and grab. You know, you don't want to go climbing under the car and getting dirty, and if you're in a mud area. So the length of it was a big deal. It's been really well received from the commercial industry as well, which is kind of interesting because when you look at a lot of utility vehicles, they have a much thicker and bigger bumper. So we're now coming out with a different length one at what we're calling the XL or or toe tether long, because we've had such a big interest from the utility companies that want to put this on their vehicles as well. So we've got had to make it long enough to where it doesn't drag, but we it can be placed in such a way where they can access it easily. And then it's hanging there so people see that little yellow tag that says, oh man, I gotta hook up my my breakaway cable. So we're coming out with some follow-on products that I think are also gonna be neat. Hopefully, we're doing another learn to RV session on the follow-on package. I can't tell you what it is, but hopefully in the next four months it will be ready to release that as well.

SPEAKER_00

That's really exciting. You know, the other side of it is you you tested this. This isn't like something you just said, hey, we're gonna do it, we're gonna put it on our fleet. You tested it 15 times higher than a regulatory standard. It was exponentially higher. And you haul concrete. It's not like it wasn't tried and true type of testing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, so we haul a lot of heavy concrete equipment. We're concrete finishers and we do all the concrete work. We're not the mixing trucks, we're the crew behind placing, forming, shaping, and finishing the concrete concrete, which means we have trailers upon trailers with heavy equipment on them. And none of that equipment is light. Having to make that happen and having to make that work, we put it on our entire fleet, got feedback from everybody. And and sometimes, you know, the feedback, they don't hold back on what's going on. So it's like, hey, no, I don't want to keep climbing underneath the vehicle to do this, make it longer. Hey, this thing's too long, it's dragging and it's banging on my truck. I don't want it to go back and forth. Just the simple fastener that's on there that clamps the wire down is a big, big deal as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I mean, like, I think that a lot of times people don't think about the cost of things like this. And I'm not talking the financial cost, I'm talking like the peace of mind cost, knowing that your rig won't break away. I saw the other day on Facebook, so it it may be real, it may not be real, but it was a class A motorhome with a toad, and the toad was carrying just the bumper of the car. So somewhere down the road, there was a car that broke away. Would toe tether have stopped it? Not in this situation, because the whole bumper wasn't with it. So there's something that was still attached, obviously, to what they were towing. Yeah. But the reality is it's still a projectile. I don't think the conversation is about it just being compliance at that point. This would work on every type of towable vehicle and boats. So, like people like that, maybe aren't full-time RVers. Like if you own a boat and you're hauling it somewhere, it's a great way to make sure that that doesn't break away either. I'm glad Neil didn't just stop. Well, that's kind of neat. You know, I'm glad that you guys actually took a jump into this. Sometimes the best inventions aren't the complicated ones. Sometimes they're the ones where somebody just kind of goes, Well, I could make that. You know, I think that that's what toe tethers bring into the table. And to everybody, it was in plain sight. You guys just, you know, made it happen. Commercial trailers, fleet operators, equipment haulers. You know, let's talk about how you ended up in the RV world. I just a little bit, because you're an RVer, but like, did you ever think this was something that you'd be selling in places like tractor supply? I understand, but like two RVers.

SPEAKER_01

It's designed for trailers that have a breakaway system. There are some systems where if you're towing a vehicle, that the breakaway system is integrated into that tow package, like you're towed. Most of those will have a breakaway system specifically set up so that it does activate the brakes on the vehicle if the vehicle does lose a bumper. On your boats, your utility trailers, your construction trailers, anything like that that has that breakaway system. And what I'm talking about, that breakaway system, it's that little box that has a little cord. Sometimes it's a cable, sometimes it's a red for us older people, it looks like a telephone cord, the little wound-up coil cord. That is your breakaway system. And the purpose of that breakaway system is that it pulls that pin, and when it pulls the pin out of that box, there's two contacts that are made and it activates the brakes on the trailer. Any trailer that you have that has that, and most and all of our equipment trailers have that, this is where that application comes in. And it's kind of interesting because I approach it, it's just a cable. Yeah, and it's only $24.95, too. So by the time you go and buy stainless steel cable and you go and you wrap it around and you crimp it and then you attach it and put the islands on it, you think to yourself, I just spent a couple hours doing this. I'm definitely worth more than $25 an hour. So it's kind of like, yeah, we could bake our own cookies, but you know, going to the shelf and buying a box of cookies is a lot easier and a lot cheaper than me spending two hours baking cookies. We tried to make it to a point to where we test each one. We test it at 150 pounds. That breakaway cable only comes out at, I think it's between three to five pounds of load to break it out. We went way overboard, primarily because we never want it to fail.

SPEAKER_00

And if you go back to our original conversation, one of the things that I learned in that conversation was I thought this was just for travel trailers. You don't know what you don't know. And the first thing you said to me is, no, you could use it on a fifth wheel. I didn't realize that, and I've been full-time traveling for 13 years. I didn't even know this problem was something that could be fixed. Let's make sure that everybody listening knows what they'd be getting from you. So, Andy, let's pretend you're sitting at a campfire and your neighbor just walked over. What is toe tether?

SPEAKER_01

Toe tether is a dedicated anchoring system for your breakaway system on your trailer. Rather, that's an RV, a boat trailer, a utility trailer. Trailer, whatever trailer you have that has a breakaway system. This is a dedicated point that you attach to your tow vehicle that is compliant with the DOT regulations and it's very simple to use. It takes less than a minute to install, but it provides you that safety mechanism. If your chains fail, if your hitch pin comes off, this is not attached to any of that. So it's an independent safety attachment point that's dedicated specifically for your breakaway cable. Like I said, it takes 30 seconds to install. We even include the tool to install it. That's the kind of the 30-second speech of what it is.

SPEAKER_00

On the flip side of this, you know, I don't want anybody to feel bad that they haven't been running with Toe Tether because chances are you didn't even know it existed because it didn't exist until just recently. There is a solution, and it's only $25. And you can get it just about everywhere, or if not yet, well soon. And keep an eye out for it. You can order direct from Toe Tether too if they need to. It's toeTether.com. You've got it on Amazon, you've got it on eTrailer, and you've got Tractor Supply, any place else that people can look for Toe Tether.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, soon to come on Walmart. We're about a 30 days away or so. It'll be on Walmart.com as well. And it's available on the scavenger hunt. Don't forget the scavenger hunt.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. And we got our box, so we're ready for the scavenger hunt. We got it this week. When Frank gets back, he's on a job run right now. But when he gets back, when we hook up the trailer for the next destination, that's one of the first things we're gonna put on our rig, is our toe tether. So we'll get pictures of that as well as we hook that up. Toe tether is a piece that's a safe towing setup. It makes sure that your line of defense is going to work right when other things are failing. Last but not least, you've got dealers coming on. There's so much exciting stuff happening for you over there. We're very thankful that you're one of the sponsors for the scavenger hunt this summer. We don't take that lightly. It's our second year doing it. While I've done scavenger hunts for many years for different organizations, this one's personal because it's for Learn to RV. It's going to be our best year yet. If you want to win some Toe Tether this summer and maybe find out where your breakaway cable is supposed to go, come join us on learn to RV.com because the reality is we'll have a blog over there about Toe Tether so that you can see exactly how it works.

SPEAKER_01

If you do buy one or if you know that somebody's got one and if you've got some suggestions, please get on our website, toe tether.com, and there's an information link in there. Send us an email, drop us a line, tell us what you like about it, what you don't like about it, tell us what you think could improve it. We'd appreciate any feedback you can give us.

SPEAKER_00

You guys are American-made, homegrown. I mean, that's kind of our our our standing joke about Learn to RV this summer, homegrown like apple pie. I feel like Toe Tether is that real American company that's out there. I think there needs to be more of those in the United States today. I appreciate all that that you guys are doing and for spending part of your day with us here at Learn to RV. If this episode helped you in some way, share it with a friend. Tell somebody in your community, leave Learn to RV a review. We'd appreciate that. But don't forget to stop by Toe Tether. This is your moment to just take a moment and shine. If you want to just tell people exactly where to find you on the internet.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you for putting on us, Learn to RV. It was an honor to be part of this. It was great meeting you at the show. And we thought, wow, what a what a huge market. We totally were not paying attention to. It's it's great to be part of that community and to contribute and so in in any way possible. So we're very thankful for that. Totether.com, if you're skeptical, go to the bottom of the page. There's a little information video on there that quite frankly, we developed it in such a way to kind of make you think differently about your the safety on your vehicle and your safety on your trailer. Watch the video and judge for yourself. Is this is it worth $24 for you? And if it is great. If it isn't, let us know what would add to the safety on the way you took. I like I like we both talked about. We're both RVers. Yeah, we haul a bunch of other trailers, but it's kind of personal when it when you start hauling your home around, right? And and usually you're hauling with friends, you're you're hauling for recreation. So that's the last time or the last thing you want to deal with is an incident because of a safety issue. We're glad to be part of that community. We we want to continue building products that that strengthen that community and and especially from a safety standpoint. Welcome any feedback you've got. And thanks, Jennifer, again, for letting us be part of your program here. It's it's again an honor, and and we'll do anything we can to sponsor this this channel because we think it's very, very important.

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You know, the thing is, this is too good to keep a secret. If you order a toe tether, I would tell you to order two or three and give some to your RVing buddies. You know, it's it's a very inexpensive way to share the love. People might go, what is this? Later down the road, as you explain the safety side of this, you're actually caring for the friends that you do travel with. And so I think that's a huge part of kind of that dynamic. You know, the community in the RV community is very tight-knit. You know, we we gain friends quickly and we don't want to lose any of them, and certainly not to losing a camper. And you know, insurance doesn't pay the way that you think insurance is gonna pay. So if $24.95 is the difference between having to total a camper and not, it's just a no-brainer for me. So again, thanks, Andy. I appreciate you coming on. Toe tether, go check it out, check all the links in our bio. It's it's a great product. We actually can't say enough great stuff about it. And I don't always say that. I just appreciate all of it. Thanks, Andy. Toe tether. Don't forget.

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Take care. Thank you.