Day One Disasters and Nine Happy Years: Mary Walker of Life in the RV

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Um, oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

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I am just sitting here baffled at what just happened. Seriously. Baffled.

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Hey there. Welcome back here at Learn to RV the podcast. Today's a little different, and I keep saying that this season, but it really is because we have now woven our community spotlights right into our main episode series. So you won't see this on Thursday, but it is a community spotlight. And so there's a select number of community spotlights this season because of that. So I'm super excited today because I'm gonna sit down with an amazing woman named Mary, who I've met a few times over the years, but she's been on the road for just a little bit less time than I have. And she has Life in the RV is what her channel is. And she's gonna come back and kind of share a little bit about her travels over the years and take us through a journey and what retirement looks like for her and her spouse and how they downsized from their house into RV life. We're gonna talk about what pulled her into this life. Was the jump scary, the moment RV life actually became real, and if they even can travel affordably in the economy that we live in today. So here we are. Welcome, Mary. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Well, thanks for having me. I love being able to sit down with people that we've met in real life for short periods of time, but giving you a chance to tell your story, and I think that's one of the things about RV life is somebody that relates to you may not relate to me, or somebody that relates to you may relate to all of us. So I love to start by asking, were you always an R Ver?

SPEAKER_02 1:46

No, we never R V'd before we started nine years ago. Uh we did have a fifth wheel that we bought just to put on our land, just so we had somewhere to stay when we came up to New York, but we never RV before that. We didn't even rent one, which is a good idea to try if you've never done it.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

That's very true. That's actually how we started. I said I'd never do this, like over my dead body, ever do this. And here we are 13 years later. Wow. So yeah, it's crazy. So when you and Tim retired, right? In what 2017?

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Yeah. No, we weren't retired at the time. Uh we gotcha. I forced ourselves to retire.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Oh, that's an interesting concept. Okay, so Frank had retired from the Marine Corps when we hit the road, and so we were just young. I think he was 39, and I had just turned 40 when we hit the road. And everybody said this was a midlife crisis because we were doing it with our kids. But you downgraded from your house, which was what? 3,500 square feet. Okay. Yeah. How what was that transition like for you?

SPEAKER_02 2:53

That was hard. Um, we did it in six weeks, actually. Wow. The guy next door to us came home with an RV and he that he had rented, and it's like, oh, that's interesting. Um, and it was shortly after my sister had passed, she was 51, and then three years later, her husband passed at 55. So their plans were to go to Hawaii for their 25th wedding anniversary, and that they never came. So we're we're like, our family was spread all over the U.S. Uh Tim's son is in California. I had uh two sons, one in Kansas, one in Florida. Our parents were in Buffalo and Florida. So it's like, well, maybe we should try it. So we put most of our stuff in a pod. First, we opened up our house to sell everything that we could. And we put the rest in a pod in case we didn't like it. We had everything right there. We could go back to Florida because we were in Kansas at the time. And we had actually sold our house in Florida, moved to Kansas to be near the grandkids, and decided we couldn't live with that weather. So we sold a house within like six months and said, We're gonna come and visit because we actually saw the kids more when we visited than when we lived there.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

So well, sure, because you're more intentional with your time when you go back.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Right. So we put everything in a pod. Uh we bought an RV online, never saw it in person, which wow yeah, is another mistake we made. We made tons of mistakes. I can't even tell you. There's so many. But um, we packed up a little U-Haul trailer with everything that we thought would fit in an RV, which did not. Uh, but we weren't going back to the house. We were going picking it up in Cincinnati, Ohio, and heading up to our property in New York. And that was the beginning of nine years.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

I guess that was my big pivotal thing was my dad died at 61. I don't want to say unexpectedly. He died of lung cancer. He was a smoker his whole life, but we didn't expect it to happen as fast as it did. And so we actually moved my parents in with us their last, well, his last month alive into our base housing. And my mom still lives out in California. But the one thing that I realized was, you know, in 2013 was that this life was short and you didn't get a second chance. And so looking at it from that side of things, I feel like we see our friends and family more intentionally now. And intentionality is part of this whole lifestyle that people don't even think about. Was there something that made you feel like you made a mistake when you first got started?

SPEAKER_02 5:32

The first day, with all the mistakes we made on that first day, yes. But once we got settled in and got more, um, the first year we didn't really travel. We went from Buffalo to Kansas and then back to Florida, and then we were stationary for the winter. And so we kind of got settled in, and it everything just kind of fell in place after that.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

And the decluttering process for us, we had seven kids, and so that was a whole thing of itself. What did that look like for you guys?

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Well, we opened up our house to sell what we could, and then what was left that I couldn't part with at the time, we had put into the pod. Um, and then once we went to Florida, so that stuff stayed in Kansas, and then once we went to Florida, I needed a storage unit for my Christmas stuff because I love Christmas. And then there was a little odds and ends that we would keep outside, so we had that. And then up in New York, we also have a shed that we needed for our mowers and stuff here. So I kind of have three storage spots right now. I need still need to downsize that I still have way too much stuff, as my husband says. It's all mine, it's it's none of his.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Well, I think every person, every situation is different. I don't think there's any right or wrong way to do it. We're down to one storage shed in Texas, and I still have some stuff at my mom's house out in California. So, like our wedding dress, his blues uniform, like they could erect us like Beetlejuice, and you'd have our wedding set, you know. But stripping down to what matters is often what I hear a lot of full-time or part-time RVers talk about. Let's fast forward a little bit to actually being out here because you've been out here a couple days. What would you say your favorite moment on the road is so far?

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Probably being able to get to see the grandkids when I want to. Like last year, my grandson in Florida turned 11. And then a week later, my oldest grandson graduated from high school. So we were able to do both.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Whereas Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Yeah, when we had the house, we'd have to get somebody to take care of the grass, somebody to take care of the pool. So it's just getting to be where we need to be when we want to be.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Sure. And with three properties, you can choose where you domicile. Where did you end up picking?

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Florida. Uh, because that's where we were originally. Even though we had moved to Kansas, we never changed. We actually started our mail. Uh, we used my RV mail. We actually started that while we still lived in Florida in our house before we ever even thought of RVing, because our mail was getting screwed up so much that it's like, yeah, we need to do something. Because when we left for a month to come up north, it it just didn't work.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

So we did that and it's been that way ever since. The reality is is sometimes it doesn't feel like we lived this lifestyle until we're in it for a few days. So when do you feel like that really felt real to you?

SPEAKER_02 8:38

I think it was probably not the first year. I think it was more the second year when we started traveling more, and you know, we just had everything down to where we needed to know not everything, because we still don't know everything, but we need we knew more. So it became more comfortable.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

That's fair. So, do you guys have more traditional roles around prepping the RV for travel days? What does that look like for you guys?

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Um, yeah, Tim takes care of the outside, I take care of the inside, and then we both do, you know, the walk arounds, make sure everything's done, then you know the fridge is locked, he'll come in and double check my stuff, I'll go out and double check his stuff, but we screw up when we don't use a checklist. Let's just put it that way, even after nine years.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Right, checklists are important. You know, I actually do um seminars for ladies at a lot of different rallies that we go to. And the reason I started doing those was because I had some lady at a rally come up to me and she said, Do you have a checklist? And I said, Well, I do for me. I said, but it might be different for you. She goes, No, no, my husband doesn't want me to do any of that outside, so I'd like to have a checklist. And so my seminars aren't really seminars, they're more of a, you know, we go in when we have some fun, but then we talk about all the things on the lists that you may not know on my bingo card. And so the seminar is never twice the same because it's always a different conversation. And a lot of times, ladies like you that are in there that have experience will be the voice of the answers instead of just being me. You're also writing a lot on your blog about community and what that looks like in campground events and volunteering over the years. How intentional are you guys about being active in your communities wherever you go?

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Yes, we try to be. Um, a lot of the campgrounds will have a lot of activities, and I love going to the activities, whether it's potlucks and just talking to everybody. And being in an RV in a campground is totally different than being in a house. I mean, my mother lived in her house for 30 years and she didn't know half her neighbors. I know more people in the campgrounds than they know us. Even with um people that we just met, like we were in Claremont, Florida, is where we would winter. And some guys like they come talk to us and we talk to them. And then we ended up meeting them in Utah when we were there. They're like, Aren't you at Claireborough? It's like, yeah, that's that's us. And so now we just became really good friends. And it's like, well, where are you guys gonna be at this this summer and stuff like that? And it's just, I don't know, we talked to way more people than we did in the house.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

And I think the community's smaller than anybody realizes. So, for example, when my oldest son was 13, we met this gentleman named Tom at Peace River and Thousand Trails. And Tom played pool with him and he treated him like he was his uncle that would harass him and it was fun. But we would bump into Tom in Menifee out in California, and we would bump into Tom in Washington, and then we bumped into Tom at Conroe. And so every time we bumped into him, hey, can we go play pool? And he was still a minor, so we still couldn't get in the pool room without somebody with him. And he didn't want to take his dad and I. He wanted to go take Tom. And Tom was just this extra uncle that he had in his life. I think that's the beautiful part of this, is I think that community exists no matter where you are, especially if you're trying to save some money and be a part of a community like Thousand Trails. What are some ways that you save money as you travel right now?

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Actually, we had to change our plans this summer because of some health issues my husband had, but we also signed up for Thousand Trails this year after nine years. Um, and my cousin had bought an RV last year and she had gotten a free Thousand Trails yearly membership. And she already had the adventure membership, so she's like, hey, you want to try it for a year? It's like, okay. So she gave it to us last year. We actually used it more than any other campgrounds that we stayed at this past year. So when April came and it was time for us to figure out what we were gonna do, we're like, yeah, we're gonna buy it, you know. So we bought the adventure because it just made sense. And I actually have my whole year booked out for this year, and we're staying in it for like 240 nights. So figure that out. We're saving so much money. Last year over Labor Day weekend, we had stayed in Pennsylvania for 10 days at a campground and Labor Day, you know how hard it is to get reservations. So it was a thousand trails campground, and we just add up the fees. And even this year on our way here, we stayed at uh Green Mountain. We were supposed to stay for a week, and then I came up with like, well, we can go here and we can go there, and it was just centrally located, and so we ended up staying three weeks. So when I added that up, that was that we would have paid like $1,500 for a campground for that three weeks, and it's like, damn, we're saving so much money.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

And not all parks are created equal. I will say that. We joined Thousand Trails in 2013, uh, shortly after we hit the road. We did it to find other families, and it worked for us. But this park we've never made it to. They're not all five-star resorts. Like I was expecting, since the bay is on one side of me and I can literally see it from my RV, that meant I'd have water access. I do not. There's a pool here, there's a cage around it, and it probably hasn't been used in 10 years because it's got trees growing out of it. But it's a campground that's less than an hour to the Chinkitaga Island, and that's where Misty of Chinkitaga ponies. There's an author that wrote about them, and we read all the books with the kids as they were growing up. So we are here to go see the Chinkitaga ponies. There's wild horses, like less than an hour for me, right here. So your why has to be part of why you use Thousand Trails. If I went to a KOA, I'm looking at $80 a night right now. At least 10 days? Oh, yeah, at least. Plus, they'll charge me for the teenagers. So the kid tax. I was at a park just a couple weeks ago that charged me for the dogs. You know, it's it's a whole thing. But saving money on the road and finding affordable ways to do that, even if you're just saving half of what you'd be saving with a thousand trails membership, I think it's a smart way to add some savings into it. Do you guys use like things like RV overnights or harvest hosts with your stays?

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Or we use harvest hosts. Um, so we alternate, you know, if there's no thousand trails, and most of the time, well, if it's just a one night or two nights, we'll stay at a harvest host. Uh, we've been harvest host members for eight years. So yeah, we love harvest hosts.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

That's awesome. What about the stuff that blows up the budget? What have you had any unexpected problems over the years?

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Fuel right now, diesel fuel. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that, but yeah. Um other than that, we haven't we've always had an extended warranty, which covered anything major that we had happen.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

So we've been pretty good. A lot of people may not have an extended warranty. What kind of peace of mind does that give you?

SPEAKER_02 15:49

That gave us a lot of peace of mind. With it, we just had uh an air conditioner replaced um this past year. Wow. Yeah, which was like I think without the extended warranty was like two grand. Uh so we had to pay $100. That was it. And we haven't, believe it or not, with four RVs in nine years, we haven't really had a lot of major problems. Now, do you upgrade your rig regularly? Um, no, not regularly. Uh it just kind of happened. The first one we had had everything I wanted, half the stuff I didn't use. And then Tim thought it'd be a better idea to buy a toy hauler because we had a golf cart. But we went from 35 feet to 43 feet, and we actually had less storage, believe it or not. And then uh that had a lot of major issues. So then we bought uh class A after we had a little incident in Kansas at a state park. Uh we felt safer if we had one that we could just get to and drive away. So we did that. We traded for the class A, had that for three years, and then we found this super C that we absolutely love. And here we are. Um no upgrading anytime in the near future. Frank and I have always said we've wanted a super C. What made you choose a super C? At the beginning, I didn't want anything to do with a super C because I didn't like how they looked, but then it kind of grew on me and I came across a red one. It's red, white, and black. And it's like, I really like how that looks. And the class A, we were gonna go to a Class A diesel, but after having our Class A gas, I didn't feel safe in it anymore, sitting right up there by the windshield. So um we took a Class C for a ride, a Super C and it's like, okay, I could do this. So one thing that stuck with me was when we bought our second unit, the owner of the dealership, it was a family-owned dealership, he was riding around his golf cart and we started talking to him, and it's like, well, what's the unit that doesn't come in for service as much? And he said, a super seat. And it was like, okay, that's us then. So and then we thought, well, you know, we can't afford that. So we never really looked at him. And then after the class A, we had that for three and a half years, and we found the red one and said, That's ours. Actually, we found a black one, and we took it for a ride. The guy knew I wanted a red one. Every time I called about a red one, it was sold. So I said, I gotta sleep on it. So the next morning we went and the red one was sitting next to it. So we took it for a ride, and here we are. And we've never been happier in all the four units that we've had. This is we're happiest with this one.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

It feels like home.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Yes.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Well, they all kind of felt like home. I do my little thing with my curtains and you know, things like that, carpets and little odds and ends. But this one just I don't know, it's got it's so spacious, and it's only 39 feet. So, you know, you'd think that it wouldn't be that spacious, but it's got the opposing slides in this one, so it feels oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

That makes a big difference. My unit, this is the first unit we've had with opposing living room slides, and it just changes the whole thing. Yeah, it just gives you so much room. Now, do you call a toad with that? So, a toad, for those of you listening that may not know, is a car that gets pulled behind the vehicle. Do you do you have a car that you tow behind? We do. We have a Chevy Colorado that we tow behind. Oh, nice. Yeah. And and so as far as safety concerns, is that a flat tow item? Can you tow that with a tow bar?

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Yes, we tow it with a tow bar, but it can also be towed on a dolly if we wanted to. Okay. And do you still haul the the golf cart wherever you go? No, the golf cart's in storage. I wanted to get one of those deck over dollies where you put the golf cart on and then the dolly holds the vehicle. However, our truck is lifted with bigger tires and it doesn't fit on a dolly. So that's out of the question for now.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

So, for someone brand new to the RV lifestyle, what would be some advice that you'd want to give?

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Learn as much as you can and decide on how you want to travel before you go looking at RVs. Uh, because we had no idea, you know, if we'd want to go boondocking. I didn't even know what that was at the beginning. Nobody ever told me. There was nothing. Uh, nine years ago, there was nothing, and I'm sure you know 13 years ago, there was nothing that taught you how to RV. It's like you just went camping. It's like I know everybody says RVing's not camping, but uh decide on your travel style. And if you want to go to national parks, you can you might need something smaller, some only allow up to a certain size.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

I would say that has been the hardest part about the bigger rig. So when we first launched, we were in a 30-foot toy hauler with no slides and our van, but it meant we could go just about anywhere. And then three years in, we went to a 39-foot fifth wheel. And then when we upgraded, we upgraded to a 42-foot fifth wheel. It's a toy hauler, but it is bigger. That's the one thing I miss is being able to take this into national parks. I can go to a national park, but I have to be mindful of it. And the reality is campgrounds weren't built for big rigs like that. With your coach, I think a super C could if you detached your toad going into wherever you wanted to go, you could still pretty much go just about anywhere. That's one of the neat things about a super C is it's basically a big truck chassis with a camper on it. Right. Now, did that require any special licensing for you guys?

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Not for us in Florida. People say Texas needs a special license. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Once it goes over 3,500 or 350, so 450 and up, you have to have a special license in Texas. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

Yeah. No, not in Florida. We did not. Although I do recommend people take driving lessons if you've never driven, whether a class A, Class C, fifth wheel, whatever. Some people just need to take driving lessons.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Well, there is a RV driving school that you guys can't that is nationwide that you can. My friend actually teaches for them out of Oklahoma. If you're going to a big rally, a lot of times they're at the rallies. And so you can book those classes during those events. I know that there's a guy down in Florida, his name's Jeff. He's a Jeffing. He's a certified inspector as well. He actually inspected my friend Tasha's rig before they bought it last year. But he drives for the driving school and teaches people regularly how to drive. And it's so important to know how to drive your rig if you need to. Right. So not maybe if you'd like to.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Yeah, I've never driven this one. Um, I've never driven any of ours. No fifth wheel. I haven't driven the class A. I mean, I drove it. We were at at the dealership having service, and you had to drive around to the dump station. I did drive it there. Um, and I did drive it in the parking lot when we bought it, but that's as far as I've driven.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

See, and I've driven ours in quartzite. But Frank says that doesn't count because it was on the back roads of quartzite. It counts. It counts. Oh yeah. So you have tons of information on your website. And you know, that's one of the things we love at Learn to RV, is just education. And so your experiences and stuff are there for everybody. Let's dive into just a little bit about your website and why you pour so much energy into it.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

I do because um all the mistakes we made just on our first day alone. You need towing mirrors if you're going to tow a fifth wheel, just so you know. I mean, that sounds like a common sense thing, but our pickup truck did not have towing mirrors on it. So when we picked up the RV the first day, we actually had to zigzag going down the highway. We left at six in the morning so that we could see what was behind us. So wow. Yeah. I'm surprised that we didn't quit that first day. Uh, we had a flooded kitchen, we had rainbow jimmies, sorry, sprinkles. People don't know what jimmies are, all over the kitchen. And that was just on the first day. So there's just so much to know. And I try to tell people this stuff and try to teach them just to help them.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

Yeah. And I think that's the other side of it is learning to RV. Like so many people go to us at learn to RV when we do events and stuff. They say, Oh, I know how to learn to RV. I don't need you guys. And I think, but there's so much more to it than that. So, like several years ago, we added TPMS to our our tires on the camper and the truck. And that's also important if you have a toad that you have a TPMS system on there. What we don't have still is cameras on the back of the RV. And so just the I know, I know. So we drive a 2008 when so it didn't come with them back then. And so we need an aftermarket system, and we figured that out three days ago. So Frank was backing up into the site, and there should have been no issues. Like there was nothing behind us, there was an impending storm coming in. We weren't really rushing, but we were kind of. And all of a sudden, we heard a crack of thunder and then a big crash. And I was sure he hit something. And he didn't. There was nothing behind us. It was fine, but there was a rock. And he hit the rock. And it was a good size rock. It was like a rock, you know. But that that moment was like, all right, we need to go talk to John and pick up an aftermarket camera for the back of the unit.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Yeah. I and like I said before, you're in 13 years, we're in nine years, we're still all learning. There's still so much there is to know. I mean, last year we uh were leaving the campground and somebody stopped to talk to us. You don't want to talk to people when they're hooking up and getting getting ready. Um, because he stopped to talk to us and we didn't do our checklist, and we started pulling away, still plugged in. Nine years, nine years later. Luckily, we caught it. The he was the guy was yelling, you know, and so we caught it before he stretched it and pulled it out of the electric box. But it's just so important to follow a checklist and do your stay focused. I mean, that's important.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

You don't realize how important it is. Uh, the one that I love is the people that want to help you back in. And we have a system, like my kids are part of the system, you know, they have to be eyes on both sides because we don't have a camera. But we were in Vegas one year at the Thousand Trails, and it's that's like parking in a in a tin can. And there's this one lady trying to be helpful, and she came out, you don't know how to do that. And I don't know, we were 11 years, 12 years in at that point, and I just ran block. I stood there and talked to her, so she did not approach my husband while he was backing in, because that was the last thing in the world he needs in that location. So, you know, when there's a tight spot, if you see people that are working through it, you know, even if it's not how you would do it, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad or wrong. So let people work through it their own way. They have a system. I'm sure you and your husband have a system. You have to work through it together. All right. Well, let's go into the last section of this one. Um oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

I am just sitting here baffled at what just happened. Seriously.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Baffled. All right, so you just heard me say no, no, no, no, no, out loud, and that was very, very real. Mary and I were having a wonderful conversation that day, and then the video and the audio both said, nope. Um, I've actually tried to record this a couple times too, and I'm still having issues, but the show must go on, so we're still trying one more time. This is one of the most full-time RV podcasting things that could have happened. We can back a rig into a tight thousand drills, we can hit a rock that was definitely not there a second ago. We can even find a campground close enough to go see the wild horses. But the second we hit record, everything breaks loose. The internet, well, that's a whole thing on the road. And if you travel with internet on the road, you know somewhere there's a campground router laughing at us right now, or my Starlink. Um, if you're watching on YouTube, you may have noticed that it's there's been a costume change. You know, here's what happened. I could still see and hear Mary on that episode, but her part of the recording just was gone. Now, we're two days away from being able to publish this, so again, I could have asked Mary to hop back on and re-record, but that would have delayed Monday's episode. So we recorded this one before Hershey, and it was more than time to share her episode with the rest of the world. So, a little real RV life in the audio problem never hurt anybody, so we are imperfectly imperfect. And done is better than perfect sometimes, right? But we don't want to keep you hanging because what Mary shared was so good. So nine years ago, Mary and Tim had never RV'd. They didn't even rent one first, which she even said was a great idea. They went from a 3,500 square foot house to life on the road and bought their first RV online without even seeing it. So they made plenty of mistakes from not having the right towing mirrors to having, you know, sprinkles everywhere. Four RVs later, they've never been happier than they are in their super sea. But here's the thing: you have to decide how you want to travel before you shop for a rig because boondocking, national parks, big rig rallies all call for different kinds of RVs. Using a checklist is so important because nine years in, Mary and Tim still were catching themselves when they skipped it, making big mistakes like pulling away, still plugged in. Take a driving lesson, even if you're not the one who usually drives, you can stretch your budget with things like Thousand Trails and Harvest Hosts and an extended warranty. And they can take the sting out of a big repair and remember why you're out here doing this. For Mary, it's showing up for her grandkids' birthdays and graduations and just enjoying life on the road. Now, the part you didn't get to hear, and I probably won't do it justice, where to find Mary? Well, you're gonna head over to lifeinth.com. That's where you'll find her blog, her starter checklist, and her program for anyone dreaming of full-time RV life. She shares real campground experiences, RV tips, and adventures that bring us all together on the road. She's also on Facebook and Instagram, and she has a school community. That's school with a K, not the type we all went to. You'll find it at lifeintherv.com slash SKO L. Everything is linked in the show notes so you don't have to scribble while you're driving. Actually, please don't scribble if you're driving. So thanks again for joining us here today on Learn to RV the podcast. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and follow our YouTube channel and all the socials. Stop by Mary's channel, Life in the RV. She's on Facebook, Instagram. There's lots of ways to follow her too. We love having people we know in real life come on the podcast. Now, Mary and I have met a couple of times, very briefly over the years, but this was the first time we got to sit down and chat. Everybody kind of circles back to each other. Now, we actually got to record before Hershey, and the next time we'll see Mary is out in Tampa. Hopefully, we'll see you there too. See you next week.